Why I Can’t Stomach Abortion: Are You Better Off Dead Than Alive?

We can not justify the horror of abortion through the potential horrors of real life

11 June 2018

In the 2016 Democratic Party platform, it is written that the Democratic Party believes ‘every woman should have access to…safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured.’

The ability to pay part, ‘how much money she makes,’ is what interests and worries me at the same time. It makes it seem as if a woman has the inalienable right to an abortion, something which, I have already explained, is the ending of a human life. It also plays into a much wider problem I have with those who are on the side of abortion—they’re entitled.

The entire ‘woman’s right to choose’ argument is steeped in false entitlement. When a man and a woman have sex, they do it under the pretence that it’s a reproductive act, the consequence of which is a new member of the species and one that must be cared for. Even animals know this. If a woman falls pregnant, it’s nobody’s fault but her and the father’s. They have an obligation to carry the baby to term.

Me and anyone else who agrees are not trying to control women. Holding people up to moral expectations is not the domination of a gender but a standard that we hope to achieve for everyone.

Before pregnancy, a woman is free to do whatever she wants with her body. That’s true and great, and in a civilised nation, it always will be. But after a foetus has already begun to grow, we must realise that the mother’s rights are no longer all that matter. They haven’t taken a backseat to the baby’s, but those rights are somewhat diminished in the eyes of taking care of what can’t take care of itself.

I would hope that a mother doesn’t abort her child in the same way I would hope that they don’t smoke or drink while pregnant. They certainly have the freedom to smoke and drink after, but while carrying a child, some liberties must be voluntarily suspended.

A woman does have the right to control her own body, but pregnant women aren’t just controlling their body.

This call for responsibility is too often shot down by the belief that unborn babies have ‘no right’ to live off of the body of their mother. You’ll hear this argument accompanied by an analogy about organ donation and how people get to choose whether or not their organs are donated to save lives.

Applied to the topic of abortion, this is a misleading comparison.

For one, organ donors do not cause the accident that requires their body parts. If I put someone in a position where they require my health and body to survive, I have a responsibility to take care of them. A mother and father are not disconnected from their unborn baby the same way an organ donor is from a car crash victim.

It is never simply a matter of, ‘it’s my body, and I’ll do whatever I want.’

If this is how my generation—the future of the world—thinks, then I’m gravely afraid for the next generation’s wellbeing, a generation raised by parents who held their own comfort in higher regard than their children.

Then there are those who think they’re doing a service to their baby by choosing to abort it.

The world is a hard place, and adoption doesn’t always lead to the best of outcomes. I understand this, and I believe that to be against abortion is also to be for the improvement of children’s lives everywhere. But first, they have to have a life to live.

Do you really think that someone who is suffering hardship is better off dead than alive?

So I have no right to tell you what to do with your body, but you have the right to assume whether an unborn child wants to live or die?

Think about it: the mere possibility of a bad life is enough justification to take away an unborn’s future and feel righteous about it. Any speck of happiness that person could’ve had, from tasting chocolate to seeing the sun set—gone.

Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant. This is used as a point for more open immigration, and it’s a compelling argument. If not for his father’s move to the United States, there would be no Steve Jobs and definitely no Apple today. No iPad, no iPhone, and perhaps no technological revolution.

Steve Jobs was also adopted. He was an unwanted child, and as abortion was illegal during the 1950s, his biological mother had no choice but to carry out the pregnancy and put him up for adoption. That’s where the future innovator found himself in the hands of Paul and Clara Jobs. They named him Steve, and Paul taught him the basics of engineering out of their garage.

We can not justify the horror of abortion through the potential horrors of real life. A life has the potential to be bad as much as it does the potential to be good, especially in the developed world.

A woman’s ability to choose for herself should not destroy a baby’s urge to survive and prosper. No amount of contrivances can justify the opposite.

This is the second entry in a three-part series on the issue of abortion


When Does Life Begin?


  1. Eh, abortion is a sticky matter personally I don’t see a problem with it mainly because I don’t see the fetus as being anything too important.


      • And you say that to say what exactly? I could care less if I wasn’t born, if I was never here I just wouldn’t be here and there hasn’t been anything that really makes be go “Yeah I’m glad I was born”. TBH I don’t get why you or anyone care so much about lives for especially when the individuals at hand don’t have much of an impact on the world. Imo if they aren’t some really important or influential figure then them dying isn’t much to care about.


      • That’s a really nihilistic approach to the issue and one that does no good for humanity—at all. When it comes to babies and young lives, you don’t know who will grow up to become the ‘really important or influential figures.’ If we didn’t care about these lives, we might be losing the next Albert Einstein or Benjamin Franklin. But that doesn’t really matter overall, because the human species has an obligation to protect its own regardless.

        If you don’t value your own life, that’s your own opinion tangled up in your own feelings and history. Don’t apply that mindset to everyone else.


      • And at same time the argument could be made that the kid could be the next Hitler. Personally I haven’t seen an argument that can convince me to care for a fetus because there isn’t really enough upside for me to care. Now when it comes to dead people I somewhat didn’t word it correctly it’s not that I don’t care but I barely could give a damn unless someone was raped then murdered, kidnapped and tortured, or dues in some absurd or odd way like it’s out of final destination and even them I’m more like “Well damn”. If you can give me a good enough reason to care you can sway me on this issue


      • What about fairness? You’re right: we don’t know who will grow up to be the next genius or mass murderer. We don’t have the power to pass judgement upon unborn children, but shouldn’t we at least give them a chance at life? Life is a fair starting ground for everybody to develop. Before we go about predicting what their futures will be, we should at least give them the chance to have one. Every fetus has the urge to survive, and leave it alone with only the natural care of its mother, and it’ll do just that.

        Want to talk about some ‘absurd,’ ‘final destination’ shit, though? How about one of the most common methods of second-trimester abortion: dilation curettage. This is where the child’s now developed body is sliced up into little pieces and then scraped out. How about third-trimester abortion, where dilation and extraction has a doctor use forceps to tear off each of the baby’s four limbs until they are small enough to be crushed and scraped out. At this point, the baby has a heart, brain, eyes, etc. There is no doubt in my mind that they feel pain.

        You said you care about deaths that are unjust and violent, where the victim suffered before death. These babies definitely suffered. But they can’t voice their opinion or come back to tell us all what we’ve put them through. Their stories end with a whimper. These victims can’t come back to guilt trip or lobby government, and that’s why no one cares to defend them.


      • In this scenario I’m kinda “meh” when it comes to the idea of fairness I say just let them do whatever because I honestly could careless how the abortion ordeal goes. To say we don’t have the power to judge might be a disingenuous since we can “kill” it so in a way one could say that we do have that power in a way. The fetus can have an urge to live and that’s fine but again I don’t really care in my eyes I’d compare it to a parasyte. Some people are willing to deal with it while others don’t want to deal with it for nine months


      • I’ve heard the “cutting up the fetus” thing and I have one question why should I care. You bring it up even after I say I barely care meaning that it doesn’t get much of a reaction out of me. Tbh I feel like you’re trying to make me feel sorry for a fetus, if that’s the case it’s not going to convince me. And by Final Destination shit I meant absurd things like a dude somehow getting cut in half by a helicopter rotor and that lot.

        Personally I ain’t got a dog in this race and I don’t want kids so I don’t care which side wins, I honestly don’t get why this is an issue for either side, although I could make arguments for both.


      • You don’t care about ethics. You don’t care about human life unless it impacts the world in a way you can perceive or dies in a way that you personally deem shocking. You don’t care about the issue itself or the idea of justice. You won’t care about it unless there’s an ‘upside’ for you personally. There’s no point trying to convince you that unborn children are worth protecting if you need all humans to suffer being ‘raped then murdered, kidnapped and tortured’ in order for you to even take notice. You mentioned Hitler but from what you’ve written, I see no reason why you’d even care about the holocaust, as the Jews weren’t ‘cut in half by a helicopter rotor.’

        Have whatever opinion you want, but don’t ever think yours is any semblance of the right one for society. Your viewpoint is so insular and narrow-minded that it will only ever work for you. What we’re trying to do is spread ideas, have a discourse, and perhaps draw both sides closer to each other. You ‘don’t get why this is an issue,’ because like you said, you don’t care. At least act like it though, instead of hopelessly pushing your lazy nihilism.


      • How do you know that your protection is going to fail ahead of time ? Or that someone is going to rape you?

        And how does people “knowing the consequences” and still accidentally getting pregnant or impregnating someone justify forced birth ?


      • So if someone lies and tells you they are on birth control or are sterilized, you have sex with them and impregnate them, and they decide to screw you out of 18 years worth of paychecks… By your logic, this is acceptable ?

        Because to abort the two week old fetus is unethical ? I’m curious as to how


      • Look here chick, first off never said this was my opinion. I said one could make the argument that means that an argument that someone could make so miss me with that “so by you logic” bullshit. Second if you go off and tell someone your sterile then imo their ass should be jailed, I don’t care if it’s a male or female.

        Now as far as the unethical stuff I could care less about ethics with most things so long as it can get the job done and not land me in jail plus I don’t care for a fetus to begin with you can look at my earlier comments to see that.


      • So what’s the point of saying “one could make the argument” if it’s not your argument?
        People make that argument all the time, what’s your point? It’s an invalid argument.


    • Well, I’d like to know where you stand on the issue. Should the limit of viability be 12 weeks? 24 weeks? Up until the point where the baby is literally just about to come out? At what point would you consider the baby to be a life worth protecting?

      If one side is trying to force women to give birth against their will, then the other side is trying to kill a developing child before it can even cry. Personally, I put my faith in science. It’s science, not religion (I’m agnostic), that tells me that at six weeks our heart can beat. At seven weeks our brain and face start to form. And this pattern of development continues at a rapid rate while we begin to feel pain and have thoughts.

      We shouldn’t ignore the plight of the mother or the child.


      • The cut off limit for abortion should be at the time that the lower boundaries of sentience begin developing (consciousness and central nervous system/pain receptors), which we know is around 24 weeks.
        There is no reason a girl or woman should not be able to figure out she is pregnant and get an abortion in 24 weeks, that is plenty of time. After that, sorry you missed the train, good luck with the birth.

        A child and a fertilized egg are two different things. I find it a bit strange to call an early term fetus a child, especially because early term fetuses have no consciousness or ability to experience pain or anything at all.
        But if You prefer the term child then that’s fine, it doesn’t make a difference to my position.


      • We both agree that after a certain period, the mother’s ability to get an abortion must be limited or removed due to the developed nature of the foetus. So there’s that.

        The problem with using pain and sentience as the cut off, however, is due to the fact that both of those things are heavily subjective and occupy a grey area within our understanding. Even some of our greatest philosophers have struggled to distill the meaning of ‘consciousness,’ and the subject remains under heavy debate. In regard to pain, I don’t see why the ability to physically suffer should be a deciding factor in this. More often, it is used to justify abortion, as many would not want to kill a being if it could feel the pain of an unnatural death.

        I’m not entirely against abortion in the first trimester. We need to give people a way out if contraception has failed or a mistake has been made. However, it’s in the second trimester and absolutely the third that the foetus is on its way to becoming a child and is beginning to grow awareness.

        Where I live, the limit of viability is 24 weeks, and a nearby state has no gestational limits. It isn’t the norm, but in 2014, a little girl was born after only 21 weeks. The fact that some babies are capable of surviving at this point should give us pause. I’d much rather the limit be at least under 20 weeks to start with or closer to 12 weeks like many European countries have it.


      • Sentience as defined by Wikipedia, “the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively.” Pain, “a distressing feeling often caused by intense or damaging stimuli…however, due to it being a complex, subjective phenomenon, defining pain has been a challenge.”


      • A quote from Wikipedia ? That’s your justification for forced birth on girls and women against their will ? Or what is your position on the matter, since you haven’t really said ?

        Because there is SO much medical and biological science proving specifically when the lower boundaries of sentience begin to develop ; and you choose to just bypass all of that for a vague wikipedia entry? Your point here isn’t clear.


      • You asked ‘what about pain and sentience is subjective?’ That’s a pretty vague question on its own. Here’s another definition from the Oxford Dictionary, because the first didn’t satisfy you. Sentience is being ‘able to perceive or feel things.’ Feeling is ‘an emotional state or reaction.’ Are you trying to argue that emotions are objective, like we all feel the same things?

        This isn’t my justification for anything. You asked, and I answered. If you don’t know my position by now, you clearly haven’t been reading my responses to you or the post these comments come under. You’re also welcome to read the other post I did on this topic.

        You chastise the information I’ve provided to you, but if there is ‘SO much medical and biological science,’ please enlighten me. Stating that information and evidence exists is not the same as actually presenting them.

        Your first comment was that you ‘cant stomach forced birth on girls and women against their will.’ That suggests you’d be against a “forced birth” regardless of the unborn’s development state. So why are you arguing about sentience? Or is that you ‘cant stomach forced birth’ but only if they haven’t ‘missed the train?’ Your point is unclear.


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